when crank did ccm change the cups in the cyclo sonic crank to cups with no bottoms to cups with bottoms this is the crank assembly with tapered roller bearings william rudolph
Submitted by HotRodRob on Thu, 05/19/2011 - 14:15.
Not sure if you mean when they went from the Tri-Plex crank to the one piece crank or not, but if it is, I am guessing around the early 40's because I have an early 40's ballooner with one piece crank and my Flyte being 37'-40' has a tri-plex crank. However, I have a 1954 CCM catalog that has an ad in there like they are pushing the greatness of their Cyclosonic cranks, like it is something new so I'm not sure if there is a difference between a Cyclosonic crank and a regular one piece crank. Hope this helps.
Submitted by cruisersbylou on Fri, 05/20/2011 - 15:36.
Hi Rob
There definately is a difference as a friend of mine has a 1951 standard ccm single bar that he has had all his life with a cyclosonic crank. Cup size is a lot smaller that the Triplex Crank and One Piece Crank. Real unique set up and you really don`t see a lot out in western Canada that I know of. From his knowledge which is better than mine. Cyclosonic cranksets were made from 51` to 56` from the Catalogues we have kicking around. The assembly of these crank sets was tricky also. Just a little info to add to the blog
Submitted by HotRodRob on Fri, 05/20/2011 - 16:41.
Good to know. I have yet to see this configuration. I like to have variety of different options so I will be keeping my eyes open for a bike with a Cyclosonic crank to ad to the CCM madness in my garage :)
Submitted by cruisersbylou on Fri, 05/20/2011 - 23:12.
On another note about the the cyclosonic crank is that it is unique to the frame so you can`t interchange with the one piece crank or triplex as it is smaller diameter cup, but cool.
Submitted by HotRodRob on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 14:14.
I wonder if a 51' CCM Club Racer would have that crank? A friend of mine in Ottawa is saving one for me for when I head out there this summer. It has the 3 speed with the derailler on the back which I thought was different. It has a 3 piece crank but I haven't seen any closeups of the bottom bracket area.
Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 05/23/2011 - 21:04.
Hey Rob
Chances are it has a 3 pc. english crank assy in it, if its like my friends as he has a club racer but I am not exactly sure of the year, I know its early 50`s. Keep me posted as I would like to know for my info. Your club racer could have a english front hub as well. Really cool bike as I am fond of these and I will own one someday as there are a couple that I know of. My 1939 CCM Flyer has the english crank assy. CCM used alot of these english cranks on there early race bikes.
Submitted by cruisersbylou on Mon, 05/23/2011 - 21:34.
Hey Rob
No your club racer will have a english crank as a friend of mine has a early 50`s club racer also and it has the english crank. A lot of your early Club Racer and Flyers had english 3 pc cranks as My 1939 CCM Flyer is a Baylis Wylis English 3 pc crank. Most of your early race bikes had english cranks. There is the odd exception as a buddy of mine has a mid 30`s CCM built Perfect with the tri plex crank. This bike I know was purchased as a frame and built up from the catalogue as it is a vintage true early fixie as It had the flip flop hub on it, caliper brakes front and back. If you ever get a chance or maybe you have but the Perfect Headbadge is a gorgeous badge, its a maple leaf cut out with Perfect running through the centre. Just a little rambling about this crazy bicycle stuff Rob. Actually a friend of mine just drpped off a 1931 double bar CCM complete bike, 28 wheels Hercules hub, triplex crank, great old troxal seat. and really good shape CCM Block pedals(obviuos replacement for the original Gibsons). Also it had a seat post I have been looking for, L shaped but the seat on this type of post lets you slide the seat towards the rear wheel instead of ahead towards the handlebars, like the common shaped ones. So this seat post lends itself well to the early race bikes. Keep in touch.
Submitted by HotRodRob on Tue, 05/24/2011 - 20:42.
Haha! Ya that bike wasn't advertized and he actually wanted my 37" twin bar frame as even trade so no worries John. If I can make the time to come by that would be cool.
i have a 1959 ccm with a ccm 1 piece crank the bottom bracket size is about the same as an english bottom bracket it uses 1/4 " ball bearings. the cycosonic crank uses roller bearings. the number on the crank is 5500 . i need a stationary and adjusting cone and a picture from a ccm catalogue showing what they called this crank assy. thanks william rudolph
thanks johnn this is the page i was looking for.my orginal question is no longer valid about changing crank cups as it turns out it was 2 different cranks 1 a cyclosonic and the other beeing a j55 crank i had never heard of before and i do not have a lot of old ccm catalogues. any ideas on how long this crank was used i will bet not very long as it seems to be a verry poor design or am i allowed to say that on this website. i stiill need the adjusting and stationary cones any help will be apreciated william rudolph.
Submitted by cruisersbylou on Sun, 05/29/2011 - 01:42.
I believe the cyclosonic was built from 50` 51` to 56` but I could be wrong as they are farely rare. A friend of mine has a 51 that he has had since he was a kid. He is now 56 years old. It is standard bicycle single bar. I wish I could help you with the cones but I also haven`t seen a J55 crank set up. What is the diameter of the cups if you don`t mind me asking as I am interested. The bicycle is a 59`. I will see my buddy tomorrow and ask him as he is a world of wealth, been in the hobby for many years collecting CCM. I know he hasn`t got a bike with this crank set. Keep me posted.
The last catalogue I have that carries the Cycosonic is 1962. It does not appear in 1963. The first catalogue I have in which it appears is 1954. It is not in the 1950 or 1951 catalogues, but I don't have 1952 and 1953, so can't say when it first appeared.
Submitted by cruisersbylou on Mon, 05/30/2011 - 00:06.
Hey John
I talked to my friend and his bike is a 52 Standard Bicycle with the cyclosonic crank he had as a kid. He couldn`t believe they were built till 62` as there isn`t alot of them out there and are rarer. It would be nice if some sort of reference catalogue on line library could be set up, as it would be a world of wealth.
It has a Canadian rear hub with 1937 on it , it has a ''B'' serial number which makes it a 38 but it has a missing head badge and the chain ring does not say CCM; it has pentagons on it.
So what form of CCM is it and what does the head badge look like?
And do you know where I could buy a head badge for it?
Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 07/04/2011 - 01:05.
William (or anyone else) I also have a '59 ladies bike with 28" wheels and the *small* [not standard CCM] bottom bracket. (is this the j55 crank???) How do you get the crank out? The bearing cups are super tight around the crank and it looks like they have to come out. Do they screw out or do I try and pop them off like a standard 'big' bottom bracket? (which is hard since the crank is still there). Thanks for your help.
the j55 crank has 1/4 inch ball bearings in a race. the race is the same size as the race used on the 37 ccm rear hub on the drive side. the cyclosonic crank uses roller bearings.i tapped mine out of the cyclosonic with a long punch .the frameon the j55 crank had been abused and almost fell out. to reassemble i do not know how i think it will take some luck. maybe you could press them back in using the adjusting cone.william rudolph
Not sure if you mean when they went from the Tri-Plex crank to the one piece crank or not, but if it is, I am guessing around the early 40's because I have an early 40's ballooner with one piece crank and my Flyte being 37'-40' has a tri-plex crank. However, I have a 1954 CCM catalog that has an ad in there like they are pushing the greatness of their Cyclosonic cranks, like it is something new so I'm not sure if there is a difference between a Cyclosonic crank and a regular one piece crank. Hope this helps.
Rob
thans rob for you input. it meant when did they change the crank cups themselves
Hi Rob
There definately is a difference as a friend of mine has a 1951 standard ccm single bar that he has had all his life with a cyclosonic crank. Cup size is a lot smaller that the Triplex Crank and One Piece Crank. Real unique set up and you really don`t see a lot out in western Canada that I know of. From his knowledge which is better than mine. Cyclosonic cranksets were made from 51` to 56` from the Catalogues we have kicking around. The assembly of these crank sets was tricky also. Just a little info to add to the blog
Good to know. I have yet to see this configuration. I like to have variety of different options so I will be keeping my eyes open for a bike with a Cyclosonic crank to ad to the CCM madness in my garage :)
On another note about the the cyclosonic crank is that it is unique to the frame so you can`t interchange with the one piece crank or triplex as it is smaller diameter cup, but cool.
I wonder if a 51' CCM Club Racer would have that crank? A friend of mine in Ottawa is saving one for me for when I head out there this summer. It has the 3 speed with the derailler on the back which I thought was different. It has a 3 piece crank but I haven't seen any closeups of the bottom bracket area.
Hey Rob
Chances are it has a 3 pc. english crank assy in it, if its like my friends as he has a club racer but I am not exactly sure of the year, I know its early 50`s. Keep me posted as I would like to know for my info. Your club racer could have a english front hub as well. Really cool bike as I am fond of these and I will own one someday as there are a couple that I know of. My 1939 CCM Flyer has the english crank assy. CCM used alot of these english cranks on there early race bikes.
Hey Rob
No your club racer will have a english crank as a friend of mine has a early 50`s club racer also and it has the english crank. A lot of your early Club Racer and Flyers had english 3 pc cranks as My 1939 CCM Flyer is a Baylis Wylis English 3 pc crank. Most of your early race bikes had english cranks. There is the odd exception as a buddy of mine has a mid 30`s CCM built Perfect with the tri plex crank. This bike I know was purchased as a frame and built up from the catalogue as it is a vintage true early fixie as It had the flip flop hub on it, caliper brakes front and back. If you ever get a chance or maybe you have but the Perfect Headbadge is a gorgeous badge, its a maple leaf cut out with Perfect running through the centre. Just a little rambling about this crazy bicycle stuff Rob. Actually a friend of mine just drpped off a 1931 double bar CCM complete bike, 28 wheels Hercules hub, triplex crank, great old troxal seat. and really good shape CCM Block pedals(obviuos replacement for the original Gibsons). Also it had a seat post I have been looking for, L shaped but the seat on this type of post lets you slide the seat towards the rear wheel instead of ahead towards the handlebars, like the common shaped ones. So this seat post lends itself well to the early race bikes. Keep in touch.
Thanks for the info Lou. I'll keep you posted on it. I'll probably be picking it up in July, so I won't be able to get any pics or anything til then.
Rob
hey Rob, what's the meaning of you pickin' in my backyard ha-ha. Seriously though, if you're down this way, give me a shout and c'mon by.
John
Haha! Ya that bike wasn't advertized and he actually wanted my 37" twin bar frame as even trade so no worries John. If I can make the time to come by that would be cool.
Rob
i have a 1959 ccm with a ccm 1 piece crank the bottom bracket size is about the same as an english bottom bracket it uses 1/4 " ball bearings. the cycosonic crank uses roller bearings. the number on the crank is 5500 . i need a stationary and adjusting cone and a picture from a ccm catalogue showing what they called this crank assy. thanks william rudolph
William,
Is this the page you wanted?
thanks johnn this is the page i was looking for.my orginal question is no longer valid about changing crank cups as it turns out it was 2 different cranks 1 a cyclosonic and the other beeing a j55 crank i had never heard of before and i do not have a lot of old ccm catalogues. any ideas on how long this crank was used i will bet not very long as it seems to be a verry poor design or am i allowed to say that on this website. i stiill need the adjusting and stationary cones any help will be apreciated william rudolph.
I believe the cyclosonic was built from 50` 51` to 56` but I could be wrong as they are farely rare. A friend of mine has a 51 that he has had since he was a kid. He is now 56 years old. It is standard bicycle single bar. I wish I could help you with the cones but I also haven`t seen a J55 crank set up. What is the diameter of the cups if you don`t mind me asking as I am interested. The bicycle is a 59`. I will see my buddy tomorrow and ask him as he is a world of wealth, been in the hobby for many years collecting CCM. I know he hasn`t got a bike with this crank set. Keep me posted.
The last catalogue I have that carries the Cycosonic is 1962. It does not appear in 1963. The first catalogue I have in which it appears is 1954. It is not in the 1950 or 1951 catalogues, but I don't have 1952 and 1953, so can't say when it first appeared.
Hey John
I talked to my friend and his bike is a 52 Standard Bicycle with the cyclosonic crank he had as a kid. He couldn`t believe they were built till 62` as there isn`t alot of them out there and are rarer. It would be nice if some sort of reference catalogue on line library could be set up, as it would be a world of wealth.
Lou:
Love your idea of an on-line reference library. Just not sure how it would get set up.
So I just got what is clearly a CCM woman's bike.
It has a Canadian rear hub with 1937 on it , it has a ''B'' serial number which makes it a 38 but it has a missing head badge and the chain ring does not say CCM; it has pentagons on it.
So what form of CCM is it and what does the head badge look like?
And do you know where I could buy a head badge for it?
Hello CCM fans.
I have a CCM galaxie 1970 but i have no information. So I need catalogue and information about this bicycle. thank you to all
William (or anyone else) I also have a '59 ladies bike with 28" wheels and the *small* [not standard CCM] bottom bracket. (is this the j55 crank???) How do you get the crank out? The bearing cups are super tight around the crank and it looks like they have to come out. Do they screw out or do I try and pop them off like a standard 'big' bottom bracket? (which is hard since the crank is still there). Thanks for your help.
the j55 crank has 1/4 inch ball bearings in a race. the race is the same size as the race used on the 37 ccm rear hub on the drive side. the cyclosonic crank uses roller bearings.i tapped mine out of the cyclosonic with a long punch .the frameon the j55 crank had been abused and almost fell out. to reassemble i do not know how i think it will take some luck. maybe you could press them back in using the adjusting cone.william rudolph